Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby DeGonia1 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:19 am

I’m new to EL5, actually I’m new to any lotto wheeling software. I’ve been trying to take a full wheel of a 5/39 lottery and filter away the combinations until I’ve only got several thousand “most likely to be drawn” combinations. I’m hoping I can get the combinations to within 4,000 – 7,000 different choices. A problem I’m facing is that I can’t seem to use some of the filters correctly.

Here is a screen shot of one of my more conservative filters:

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In it the Numbers Group did not reject any combinations, yet it allowed for certain combinations to remain on the list when those numbers violated the “0 – 3 per number group” criteria (e.g. 23, 25, 26, 28, 30).

How am I supposed to be using the Numbers Group filter? Also, is there a different filter that I can use that will have the same effect that the Numbers Group would have had if I am unable to use it the way I intend?

I did have a problem using the Consecutive Numbers filter, but I believe I’ve resolved it while writing this. I couldn’t figure out how to eliminate two sets of consecutive numbers (e.g. 23, 24, 29, 34, 35). I was unable to successfully use the Consecutive Pairs filter, but as it appears in the screenshot, I was able to eliminate the sets of consecutive numbers by using the Consecutive Numbers filter four different ways.

I am also trying to eliminate any possible combination that uses multiples of numbers (e.g. 7, 14, 21, 28, 35) as well as combinations that might have equal spacing between numbers (e.g. 14, 17, 20, 23, 26). I believe it is the Neighbors Distance filter, but I cannot figure out how to use it correctly.

I have also tried using the First/Last Digits to eliminate any combinations that lists three or more of the same last digit (e.g. 1, 4, 13, 14, 34). I had checked all 0 – 9 of the digits and listed “At least 0 to 2 numbers must be present” yet those combinations remain. How do I use this filter correctly?

Lastly, what advice can anyone give regarding the filters they would use and how they would use them given the same objective of winning the jackpot on a 5/39 lottery?

The method I would use, supposing I can perfect my filtering abilities would be:

Sum Range – Min: 58-75, Max: 140-125
Odd/Even – 0-3 or 0-4
Number Groups – 0-3 or 0-2 for all groups
Consecutive Numbers – 0-2 consecutives (no pairs) or zero consecutives
Last Digits – 0-2
Neighbors Distance – No multiples or equally spaced combinations
Match Winning Numbers – 0-2 or 0-1 for the last 5 draws

These are the only “obvious” choices I can think to make. However, I will not play if I can’t filter the combinations to under ten thousand. Can anyone think of other filters that I have not considered? Thanks for your help everyone.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:21 pm

DeGonia1,

I have a file that produces 4/5 winners every time and it is 9177. The most realistic sum range for 5/39 is 52 to 148 which covers all sums within 2 standard deviations of the mean. All sums that occur out of that range are considered extraordinary.

Too many filters is generally a bad thing, it is better to stick with one small scenario that occurs and then just play those numbers everyday and then wait. Eventually you will hit at least that's my plan.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:47 pm

If anyone is interested I have a file that produces 4/5 winners about 67% of the time and contains 3983 numbers. This is for 5/39 games.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby Maryland » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:37 pm

What kind of file????
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:19 pm

Maryland wrote:What kind of file????


CSV for short. Quad reduced file, base 9177, reduced by e/o, h/l. Yields 67% 4 of 5 win rate, but 3,983 numbers. I further reduce with match 2/3 numbers from a pool of 11 numbers which yields 658 numbers and hits 4/5 about 17% of the time.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby DeGonia1 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:40 am

Thanks kdsjeter. I'm interested in the 3983 file. For the filter ranges I provided, most of the categories have only fallen outside of that range around 10% of the time out of the last 50 draws.

With my more risky Sum range of 75 to 125 it falls outside of the range around 20% of the last 50 draws. I'm not entirely comfortable with that level of risk, but if I can keep the total tickets down to 4,000 - 7,000 thousand I believe with the amount of second and third place prizes and California's "Bonus Bucks" game which people earn one entry for every 5 tickets purchased (but loads if I bought thousands) for a chance to win up to $42k in prizes, that if I should lose I feel I might be compensated enough to have at least gotten the majority of my money back for a very real chance to win several hundred thousand.

It makes sense in my head, but I'm still going to the statistics pros because you guys no doubt have more experience than me. My first and only time I've actually played any lotto game was the most recent hyped up Mega Millions and since then I've been looking around for what would be the best bet, and I decided that for me it was the California Fantasy 5.

Does anyone know how to properly use the filters I mentioned?
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:15 am

DeGonia1 wrote:Thanks kdsjeter. I'm interested in the 3983 file. For the filter ranges I provided, most of the categories have only fallen outside of that range around 10% of the time out of the last 50 draws.

With my more risky Sum range of 75 to 125 it falls outside of the range around 20% of the last 50 draws. I'm not entirely comfortable with that level of risk, but if I can keep the total tickets down to 4,000 - 7,000 thousand I believe with the amount of second and third place prizes and California's "Bonus Bucks" game which people earn one entry for every 5 tickets purchased (but loads if I bought thousands) for a chance to win up to $42k in prizes, that if I should lose I feel I might be compensated enough to have at least gotten the majority of my money back for a very real chance to win several hundred thousand.

It makes sense in my head, but I'm still going to the statistics pros because you guys no doubt have more experience than me. My first and only time I've actually played any lotto game was the most recent hyped up Mega Millions and since then I've been looking around for what would be the best bet, and I decided that for me it was the California Fantasy 5.

Does anyone know how to properly use the filters I mentioned?


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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby stan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:26 am

DeGonia1 wrote:
In it the Numbers Group did not reject any combinations, yet it allowed for certain combinations to remain on the list when those numbers violated the “0 – 3 per number group” criteria (e.g. 23, 25, 26, 28, 30).

How am I supposed to be using the Numbers Group filter? Also, is there a different filter that I can use that will have the same effect that the Numbers Group would have had if I am unable to use it the way I intend?

Change the filter option to '4 to 4 number groups must pass' and you'll get the result you're looking for.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby osgb1174 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:23 am

kdsjeter wrote:If anyone is interested I have a file that produces 4/5 winners about 67% of the time and contains 3983 numbers. This is for 5/39 games.


Hi would you share your technique ? Im tryin to build a file for a 5/28 game smaller than the one Im currently using (it actually has 18369 combinations) and it produces 5/5 100% of the time , the thing is I cant reduce it efectively to a more practical set of combinations

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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:34 am

osgb1174 wrote:
kdsjeter wrote:If anyone is interested I have a file that produces 4/5 winners about 67% of the time and contains 3983 numbers. This is for 5/39 games.


Hi would you share your technique ? Im tryin to build a file for a 5/28 game smaller than the one Im currently using (it actually has 18369 combinations) and it produces 5/5 100% of the time , the thing is I cant reduce it efectively to a more practical set of combinations

best regards


For 5/28, I come up with 98280 combinations. So a 5/5 guarantee 100% of the time seems unrealistic. I will create a 5/28 lottery and post a good 4/5 file and tell you how I came up with the results.
What state and game are you playing? What's the prize: $10,000 ???
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Tue May 01, 2012 7:53 pm

kdsjeter wrote:
osgb1174 wrote:
kdsjeter wrote:If anyone is interested I have a file that produces 4/5 winners about 67% of the time and contains 3983 numbers. This is for 5/39 games.


Hi would you share your technique ? Im tryin to build a file for a 5/28 game smaller than the one Im currently using (it actually has 18369 combinations) and it produces 5/5 100% of the time , the thing is I cant reduce it efectively to a more practical set of combinations

best regards


For 5/28, I come up with 98280 combinations. So a 5/5 guarantee 100% of the time seems unrealistic. I will create a 5/28 lottery and post a good 4/5 file and tell you how I came up with the results.
What state and game are you playing? What's the prize: $10,000 ???


... Well in the absence of the above info ... here is a file that can be tried.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby CARBOB » Wed May 02, 2012 6:29 pm

kdsjeter wrote:DeGonia1,

I have a file that produces 4/5 winners every time and it is 9177. The most realistic sum range for 5/39 is 52 to 148 which covers all sums within 2 standard deviations of the mean. All sums that occur out of that range are considered extraordinary.

Too many filters is generally a bad thing, it is better to stick with one small scenario that occurs and then just play those numbers everyday and then wait. Eventually you will hit at least that's my plan.




Would you kindly create a file for a 5/36 game, would be appreciated very much.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby kdsjeter » Thu May 03, 2012 3:54 pm

CARBOB wrote:
kdsjeter wrote:DeGonia1,

I have a file that produces 4/5 winners every time and it is 9177. The most realistic sum range for 5/39 is 52 to 148 which covers all sums within 2 standard deviations of the mean. All sums that occur out of that range are considered extraordinary.

Too many filters is generally a bad thing, it is better to stick with one small scenario that occurs and then just play those numbers everyday and then wait. Eventually you will hit at least that's my plan.




Would you kindly create a file for a 5/36 game, would be appreciated very much.


Okay ... attached is 5 36 6488 numbers with 4 out of 5 guarantee. Filtering to 2 odd, 3 even, 3 odd, 2 even and 2 low, 3 high, 3 low 2 even will reduce the pkg to 2128, but then the 4/5 everyday guarantee goes away.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby CARBOB » Thu May 03, 2012 5:39 pm

Thank you very much, they have also hit 5/36, 60 times.
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Re: Need Advice for 5/39 Lotto and Help With Filters

Postby Da80th » Thu May 03, 2012 6:45 pm

CARBOB wrote:Thank you very much, they have also hit 5/36, 60 times.



out of how many draws that you get 60 5/36 hit?, e.g. 60 out 100 draws?

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